MY UNDERSTANDING OF TONGUES

The LORD confused the language of men at the city of Babel. The account of this is given in Genesis chapter eleven, verses one through nine. The reason given for confusing the language was so that men will no longer understand each other (Gen. 11:7). Nowhere, in the Bible, are we told God reversed this action. It seems logical He would not, because if He did so, verse six would again apply to mankind and nothing we plan to do would be impossible for us.

 

Before I go on let me say that when I first read this I thought it was kind of a curse. Verse six states nothing men plan to do will be impossible for them if they all speak the same language. I pictured men doing great and wonderful things. But as I studied men in the light of the Word, and looked inward at myself, I know we would not do great and wonderful things. We would do terrible and awful things. The more I study the Bible , the better I understand, God is always right, always just, and always does everything out of love, for those who love Him, and so God confused the language for our good and it was not a curse.

 

When I first read this story I thought to myself, this is why we have different languages, such as English, German, French, Spanish, and so forth. But I see with even more clarity now. Even if we speak the same language we can not understand each other and it is because all language is still confused.

 

Pick almost any word in the English language, or any language for that matter. Look up the meaning in a dictionary and you will find more than one definition for it. The meaning of the word will sometimes vary wildly, with many different definitions. When you use a word you know which definition you mean to apply to it, but the person you are speaking to, or reading what you write, may, or may not, apply the same definition.

 

Now if you string seven or nine words together in a sentence as you speak to someone, and each word has more than one definition, how could the person being spoken to, possibly understand, completely, what you are trying to convey to him? He will probably get a general understanding, but the odds are against him understanding exactly what you mean. Ideas are not conveyed with one word, or one sentence, but with paragraphs, pages, and books. The more words, the more opportunities to confuse. Sometimes one word can be the root of many books which disagree about it=s meaning. Predestination comes to mind, as does baptism, and trinity. If you have studied God=s word, even briefly, you know of the confusion surrounding these words.

 

Haven=t you at one time or another been trying to explain something to someone and no matter how hard you try, they just don=t get it. You know exactly what you are trying to convey to them, and it seems so clear to you, but they just can=t quite grasp it. Now it does not seem so frustrating to me when I know it just might not be possible. You know, As iron sharpens iron………

 

Do you see the humor in this post? I=m writing in English, and I know you don=t fully understand what I am attempting to convey to you. One could say I=m trying to explain to you, that you don=t understand these words, by using words that you don=t understand. Oh well, I never claimed to be a mental heavyweight.

Do you see the truth fitting together? Genesis chapter 11:1 thru 9 that I am speaking about here and how it fits with Proverbs 27:17? We are all students. There are no teachers of God=s children except God. There are no leaders except Christ, we are all just sheep going in the same direction.

That is not to say there are no teachers of any kind. The children of this world need teachers and I will be eternally grateful to, and for, the minister which God used to lead me to Himself. Once I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior, and was Baptized into Christ, God gave me His Holy spirit to teach and guide me. That minister which once led me is now walking in the same direction, still calling to the unsaved, but no longer to me.

It seems to me that the leaders of the Church have the most important job of anyone on earth, and we should support them as much as possible. Provided they are trying to follow the Bible as best as they can (no one is perfect).

 

So far this post has been about language, but one must understand language to understand Atongues@. This is a word which has generated much confusion to say the least. This word deserves a complete book.

 

However, instead of clarifying anything, let me add to the confusion. From my side of the table, the AGift of Tongues@ is really the AGift of Ears@. It was those who heard what was said that received the gift, or blessing, not those who spoke. If a person speaks in tongues and no one understands, there is no blessing. If everyone at a meeting speaks the same language why would anyone speak in a tongue when no one else understands it? It is often said the person who is speaking in tongues is speaking to God, but I speak English, and God understands English. Why would I babble in some language no one else understands? This only disrupts the meeting and as I see it, blesses no one: not the hearer, or the speaker.

 

That is not to say Tongues do not exist today. Tongues are very much alive and well today. Ministers have the gift of tongues. The Holy Spirit is the interpreter. He takes the words ministers speak and reveals the meanings to those who have not yet turned to the Lord. Some will hear, understand, turn, and be healed and some will not. Those who will not turn and be healed cannot claim they did not understand.

 

I have heard stories where some people have told ministers about things they heard in a sermon, yet the minister did not say them. I think the Holy Spirit took the words the minister used and applied the definitions He wanted the person to understand. Can you see the truth in 1 Corinthians 14:22 ? (NIV) Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers. Once the unbeliever begins to believe and is baptized into Christ he or she no longer needs someone else to explain the Word of God. He will have the Mind of Christ (the Holy Spirit) as part of himself to explain to him all that God wants him to know. Or perhaps all that he asks, so ask for all!

 

The word tongue has many definitions and causes many arguments, because the listener applies a different definition to the word than the speaker means. The small dictionary which I use (The American Heritage) lists 17 possible definitions for the word tongue. Some are similar, such as language, which are, in some sentences, easy to use, or hear rather, in the wrong context. Even with 17 definitions my dictionary does not list Awords@ as a possible definition, yet a language is only words strung together. I use to apply the definition of words to tongues, but now I think the word tongues, as used in the Bible means languages.

I also have the Concise Oxford English Dictionary (Eleventh Edition) on my computer. It lists some phrases one of which is Athe gift of tongues@. It says,Athe gift of tongues the power of speaking in unknown languages, regarded as one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2)@. Now I try not to take myself too seriously. So right now I am having a good laugh. You see I am about to disagree with a definition in the Concise Oxford English Dictionary. Language is probably my weakest subject. I can, and do, stump the spell checker on my computer, and not infrequently I might add. However the tongues that are spoken about in the second chapter of Acts are not unknown. The crowed that heard the apostles heard them in each one of their own languages, so the Agift of tongues@ is not the power of speaking in unknown languages. It really is the power to speak to someone and they will understand exactly what you are saying. In other words the hearers will apply the same definitions to the words as the speaker.

One could say Athe gift of tongues@ is the ability to communicate in thoughts no matter what words are used.

 

Perhaps God will apply definitions to these words so that you can understand what I am trying to convey to you. Well, don=t just sit there, ask Him! Anyway that=s Genesis 11:1 thru 9, along with languages and tongues, as I see it.

astudent

6 Responses to MY UNDERSTANDING OF TONGUES

  1. truthbear says:

    My Friend;

    You sound like a really nice fellow, but I am here to tell you in the Holy Ghost that you have been taught wrong…For instance, show me in the bible where it says that we except Jesus Christ as our personal saviour…”It’s not in the bible”….What is in the bible is: In the book of:

    1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:

    Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
    Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
    Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

    See, God chooses us, not the other way around…We are his people (True Christians)
    We are called by God…Nothing in scripture that says that we choose him…..

    “NOTE:”

    1Pe 2:9 – But ye – Who believe in Christ Are – In a higher sense than ever the Jews were. A chosen or elect race, a royal priesthood – “Kings and priests unto God,” Rev_1:6. As princes, ye have power with God, and victory over sin, the world, and the devil: as priests, ye are consecrated to God, for offering spiritual sacrifices. Ye Christians are as one holy nation, under Christ your King. A purchased people – Who are his peculiar property. That ye may show forth – By your whole behaviour, to all mankind. The virtues – The excellent glory, the mercy, wisdom, and power of him, Christ, who hath called you out of the darkness of ignorance, error, sin, and misery.

    You have been speaking about tongues (other languages), but do you understand why a man/woman when they are filled with the Holy Ghost speak in tongues? There is a reason why, it’s written in the bible why…Well, let’s look in the book of:

    Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
    Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
    Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
    Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

    Why did God choose the tongue for the initial evidence of being filled with the Holy Ghost (God’s spirit) ?

    In the book of:

    Jas 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
    Jas 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.
    Jas 3:3 Behold, we put bits in the horses’ mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body.
    Jas 3:4 Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.
    Jas 3:5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
    Jas 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity; so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
    Jas 3:7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
    Jas 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

    Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
    Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
    Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
    Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
    Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

    Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
    Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
    Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism.
    Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
    Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
    Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

    Because the tongue is the most unruly part of the body that no man can tame, this is why God chose the tongue because man cannot control the tongue…Speaking in tongues is the initial evidence of being filled with God’s spirit (the Holy ghost)…If you are truly filled with God’s spirit, you will speak in tongues as the spirit gives the utterance…

    Now with that said, What is your plan of salvation? I will show you God’s plan of salvation for all men/women….In the book of:

    Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
    Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

    Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

    Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

    Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
    Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

    Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

    1Jn 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake.

    Don’t settle for some watered down version of salvation because there is only one salvation experience….

    Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

    Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

    (1st) Believing is the first step unto salvation…

    (2nd) Repentance is the second step…

    (3rd) Being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins is the third step unto salvation…

    (4th) Being filled with the Holy Ghost (God’s spirit) is the fourth step unto salvation…

    All these steps are a commandment from God….There is only one way unto the kingdom of heaven…Through the blood of Christ…There is no other way….And that is the word of God….

    Well, these are but a few scriptures on tongues and salvation, I pray that this will help you understand about tongues and salvation a little clearer….I also am a student learning about the Glory of God, I am above no one, I am simply a man in love with Jesus Christ and his gospel…May you have a blessed day…..

    TRUTHBEAR

  2. astudent says:

    First let me assure you, “I am not a nice fellow”. I am a sinner. I have been promised salvation, but I still am a sinner: though I do try to sin less.
    It seems that we disagree on free will. Perhaps I am wrong about this, but as I said in the post “language is confused”.
    To answer your first question (For instance, show me in the bible where it says that we except Jesus Christ as our personal saviour) (John 10:9 NIV) I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture. Sounds fairly personal to me. Then there is (Rev 22:17 NIV) The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
    Notice that it does not say only those whom I called. It would stand to reason that God calls everyone and He has given everyone the power to refuse His call if they choose. If this were not true wouldn’t the verse have to say whoever I choose let him take the gift? But it does not say that. It says whoever wishes.
    I Peter 2 and Eph 4 are descriptions of those who answered God’s call not proof that one can not answer.
    We agree that God calls, but we do not agree that God calls everyone. If God doesn’t call everyone then why did Jesus say, (Mark 16:15 NIV) “He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”?
    You are correct, I do not understand why a man, or woman would speak in tongues in public. If no one understands what is said what good is it. Is the one who speaks bragging that they have the Spirit and saying others, who do not “Speak in tongues”, do not have the Spirit?
    Those at Pentecost understood what was said, because they heard it in their own language, though it was said by someone that did not know their language. It was not an unknown language.
    We certainly do agree that there is no other way to heaven than through the blood of Jesus, and I agree 100% with the four steps you expressed in your comment. I just don’t see why it would be necessary to show everyone that you have the Holy Spirit. Especially if no one is edified, and unbelievers think you are out of your mind: and they do today just as they did in Paul’s time.
    When you read 1 Corinthians 14 do you get the impression that you should speak in tongues, or is it your understanding we should prophesy? (Speak the word of God in a way others can understand)
    I do understand a little clearer and I thank you for your input, but it only served to strengthen the understanding that I already had.
    astudent

  3. truthbear says:

    A Student;

    I want to thank you for your comment back to me, not all people want to converse back and forth about the Word of God…

    You would be correct in the fact that we are sinners, “for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God”…(Romans 3:23)…

    Mat 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

    Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

    Like the bible says, many are called and few are chosen, we are not all called as you think and we are not all chosen to be God’s servants…And that my friend is the word of God not mine….You are not clearly understanding the scripture that you have shown me….Okay, maybe your not a nice fellow, would it be safe to say that your a loving fellow and if not, then, why?

    Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

    Not all men/women are going to hear the Word of God, some will be in rebellion and not heed the Word of God, they are disobedient children…We must obey the bible as a whole (the gospel), we have to lay down our own self will and surrender unto the Lord God Almighty Jesus Christ, we must be obedient unto his word, his laws, and his commandments that he set forth for man to live by…

    Now, God knew that man could not go through life without sinning, that is why he came to the earth and manifest his self in the flesh and made him self a sacrifice for our sins….That’s where Repentance comes in, that’s where the Alter comes in, as Paul said, he dies daily and that is what we must do, we must crucify our flesh every day…

    As it is written in the book of:

    1Co 15:31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

    Php 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

    Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

    Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

    Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

    1Co 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

    1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

    1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

    1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

    1Co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh, with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

    1Co 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

    1Co 14:7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

    1Co 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

    1Co 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

    1Co 14:10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.

    1Co 14:11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

    1Co 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

    1Co 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

    1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

    1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

    1Co 14:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

    1Co 14:17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

    1Co 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

    1Co 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

    1Co 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

    1Co 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

    1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

    1Co 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

    1Co 14:24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

    1Co 14:25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

    1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

    1Co 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

    1Co 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

    1Co 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

    1Co 14:30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

    1Co 14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

    1Co 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

    1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

    1Co 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

    1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

    1Co 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

    1Co 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
    1Co 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

    We are not to pray in public according unto the word of God, we are to pray in a closet (Sanctuary)

    1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
    (If you are indeed praying in the Spirit, then you will be speaking in tongues, otherwise your not in the Spirit..)

    Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

    Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

    Luk 12:3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.

    1 Corinthians 14: Is saying some will prophecy and some will speak in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance…When the church prays together and becomes in one accord, then the church will become in the Spirit and begin to speak in tongues and God’s glory will come down among his children and the church will have an awesome service, people will be healed, people will be filled with the Holy Ghost, people will be renewed in the Holy Ghost…I have seen and experienced God’s mighty power of healing, of filling sinners with the Holy ghost, it is truly an awesome site, it is truly awesome to be in God’s presence…

    Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

    Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

    Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

    I would also like to say that salvation is freely give, however, once received, it is up to us to remain obedient unto the word of God because a man/women whom continues a lifestyle contrary to the word of God will not be saved, and that is the word of God…Because there is no such thing in the bible as once-saved-always-saved….Salvation is also something that we must work for daily through out our lives….

    May you have a blessed day;

    Yours Truly;

    TRUTHBEAR

  4. astudent says:

    “Like the bible says, many are called and few are chosen, we are not all called as you think and we are not all chosen to be God’s servants…And that my friend is the word of God not mine.”

    The word many also means most. It could be that some are so evil from the very beginning of their life that God would not even consider them. So you might be right about that, but I did not say all are chosen. Even those who would be so evil that God would not call them know right from wrong. So they determined whether they would be saved or not by their own actions. God did not, and does not, choose who will be saved because of some whim on His part.
    We seem to be saying the same thing, just in a different way. Aren’t we saying that a man is condemned by his own actions? Is that not free will?
    As for 1 Cor 14, the overall message seems to be it is better to prophesy than to speak in tongues (14:1-3). To speak in tongues edifies the one speaking (should it be your goal, to edify yourself at the expense of others?). for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh, with tongues (do you want to be greater?)
    It seems to me that Paul put such a requirement on speaking in tongues that it can not possibly be rightly done. 1Co 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. How could anyone interpret if the tongue is unknown? Someone would have to know the tongue in order to interpret. If someone can interpret then the tongue is known. Please forgive me, but this seems very funny to me. (Yes, I know it isn’t to you)
    Anyway speaking in tongues drives away the unlearned and unbelievers as no one wants to associate with those who they think are out of their mind. This is not our goal.
    “We are not to pray in public according unto the word of God, we are to pray in a closet (Sanctuary)” Is a closet a Sanctuary? I believe the verse means to pray alone.
    (If you are indeed praying in the Spirit, then you will be speaking in tongues, otherwise your not in the Spirit..) What is praying in the Spirit? The verse says pray with the Spirit.
    1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. Everyone receives the Holy Spirit when they are baptized (Acts 2:38 NIV) Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. So we Christians are always praying with the Spirit. Perhaps you mean that we are praying what God wants and not what we want. That would be my understanding of praying in the Spirit.
    “1 Corinthians 14: Is saying some will prophecy and some will speak in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance…When the church prays together and becomes in one accord, then the church will become in the Spirit and begin to speak in tongues and God’s glory will come down among his children and the church will have an awesome service, people will be healed, people will be filled with the Holy Ghost, people will be renewed in the Holy Ghost…I have seen and experienced God’s mighty power of healing, of filling sinners with the Holy ghost, it is truly an awesome site, it is truly awesome to be in God’s presence…”
    Well, I glad you enjoy it, but as for me I don’t think running unbelievers away is what God wants. You say one should pray in a closet and then you say the church should pray together. I think you are confusing me.
    “I would also like to say that salvation is freely give, however, once received, it is up to us to remain obedient unto the word of God because a man/women whom continues a lifestyle contrary to the word of God will not be saved, and that is the word of God…Because there is no such thing in the bible as once-saved-always-saved….Salvation is also something that we must work for daily through out our lives….”
    I think that we almost agree on this. Salvation is a free gift, so working for salvation might not be the absolute correct way to say it. Working daily to please God might be better. There are warnings in the Bible about turning back to sin (Ezek 33:13 comes to mind), so I agree with no once-saved-always-saved.
    It seems that I always learn something when I exchange ideas with others (when they do not view themselves as teachers with all of the answers) and I believe I have learned from this exchange. I will review my understanding that all are called. The bible does say “many” though many also means infinite (synonym) and could include all.
    As far as understanding tongues, I have not changed my views.
    astudent

  5. truthbear says:

    ASTUDENT;

    My friend, I believe that we are on the same page and like you, I also learn from other people as well….as it is written, the word of God (scripture) is of no private interpretation..

    2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.

    Tongues is just simply God speaking through us…A heavenly language…We cannot contain our tongue, however, God can….
    The definition of closet is praying in the sanctuary with other brethern and Sisters or a person can pray by themselfs….

    May you have a blessed day….

    Truthbear

  6. astudent says:

    Truthbear,

    Thanks for taking what I said as constructive dialogue (that is how I meant it).
    Some just get mad when others disagree with their understanding and it is a pleasure to find someone who does not. If you get mad when someone understands differently than you do then you have entirely too much pride in your understanding. If we can all control our pride we can learn from each other. (One student explaining to another how he, or she, understands the instruction of the Holy Spirit.)
    Sometimes I sound like I think I know it all, but I don’t. However, I enjoy learning and if I could ever know it all, I would certainly miss the joy of learning. No danger of that as Solomon didn’t know everything and I am not permitted to know as much as him.
    Thanks for increasing my enjoyment.

    astudent

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