WOMEN ARE NOT SECOND CLASS CHRISTIANS.

August 11, 2010

 

I attend a small Bible study that is non-gender specific and we have been studying 1 Corinthians. We reached 1Cor. 14:33-35: “For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

Now I don’t know about you, but when I read or hear someone quote those verses the Spirit churns inside me. I know that I am no better than any of the women in the class and I do not want any woman to think she needs my permission to speak, nor should any one, man or woman, be in submission to me. One searches their inner self for attributes of leadership, but first one should understand what is necessary to lead. It would be necessary to know the future in order to give a correct command and I do not know the future. No man does. Yet the Bible says it is disgraceful (The KJV says it is a shame) for a woman to speak in church and it makes no similar statement about men!

It did not sound right, it did not feel right, but now I understand better. The key is “Who is shamed?” The answer is “It is the men that are shamed or disgraced”: not the women! If the men of the Church were enthusiastic and properly representing God on this earth, there would be nothing a woman could say that would not have already been said!

We assume too much when we read those verses. Our first mistake was assuming who was shamed. Our second mistake was assuming it is God’s law that Paul cites. And our third mistake is assuming God does not want women to speak in Church.

A study of the law, as put forth in the first books of the Bible, does not support the idea that God wants women to be in submission to men. There is one verse that might support such an idea and I will save it for last (it is worth the wait).

A study of the prophetess Deborah in the fourth chapter of Judges will shed some light on the subject. Judges were not in submission to anyone, men or women, (Judges 2:18) “Whenever the LORD raised up a judge for them, he was with the judge and saved them out of the hands of their enemies as long as the judge lived; for the LORD had compassion on them as they groaned under those who oppressed and afflicted them.” Because Deborah was a Judge, she was not submissive to men. She held court and made decisions about the affaires of men and God was with her. When god decided to free Israel He chose a man to accomplish the task, but the man had more faith in Deborah than he had in God! Because of this, it was a woman that freed Israel from the rule of Sisera. None of the women were shamed: it was the men that were shamed.

Still don’t get it? Consider the death of Abimelech. A woman dropped an upper millstone on his head and he was sure he was going to die, so he commanded his servant to kill him, just so no one could say a woman did! Abimelech made a mistake when he went to close to the tower and that mistake was his shame and it was the actions of a woman that pointed it out. By the way, it did not work. Joab understood and he knew David would also (2 Sam 11:18-21) and if the messenger had not previously known, he did when Joab told him what to say to David!

Too sum it up; men are shamed when women speak in Church: not women. It has to be man’s law that required women to be in submission to men; we can see it is not God’s law, because if it were, He would not have appointed a women Judge. If men make mistakes and women do not drop millstones on their heads, then who will? (When you have a head like mine, millstones just bounce off, so feel free to throw!)

And as I promised, there is one verse that says women are to be subservient to men. Are you ready? IT IS A CURSE, NOT A BLESSING! (Gen 3:16) “To the woman he said, “I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”

I trust the men that are reading this are laughing as much as the women.

Well, I am anyway.


ALLAH vs. YAHWEH

August 2, 2010

I wrote this for those who do not follow all of the comments on this Blog. I attempt to answer most of the comments of any reader, so I have already written about this, but not all read the comments and I thought it important enough to post.

It is said by many that Yahweh and Allah are the same God. Both books that explain Islam and Christianity are available on the Web so let us examine them and determine for ourselves if they are the same God.

Both books claim their God does not change.

The Koran, (The Originator 35.43) (In) behaving proudly in the land and in planning evil; and the evil plans shall not beset any save the authors of it. Then should they wait for aught except the way of the former people? For you shall not find any alteration in the course of Allah; and you shall not find any change in the course of Allah

(The Victory 48.23) Such has been the course of Allah that has indeed run before, and you shall not find a change in Allah’s course

(Quaf 50.29) My word shall not be changed, nor am I in the least unjust to the servants.

The Bible, (Num 23:19 NIV) God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    (Mal 3:6 NIV)  “I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.                                                                                                                                    (James 1:17 NIV)  Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.

So if either book disagrees with the other then they can not be the same God, for that would be change.

The most important thing in the Bible is that God had a Son and that Son was crucified for our salvation. (I will not list every verse in the Bible or Koran that supports my points, because both books claim God does not change, therefore it is not necessary to list every verse)

(Mat 3:17 NIV) And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”                                                                                                                (Mat 28:5 NIV) The angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified.

So what does the Koran say about God having a Son and that person being crucified?

(The Women 4.171) O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.

(4.157) And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.

You can see by the text of the two books they do not agree, and not only disagree, but disagree with the very basic and the most important subject matter of the Bible.

The Bible says Jesus is the Messiah, (John 4:25&26 NIV) “The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.” Then Jesus declared, “I who speak to you am he.””.

The Koran also lists a Messiah, (The Family of Imran 3.45) “When the angels said: O Marium, surely Allah gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one) whose name is the ‘. Messiah, Isa son of Marium, worthy of regard in this world and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to Allah).”

Of course the Koran does not name Jesus, but calls the Messiah “Isa”, probably because Jesus means “God saves”. The word Messiah means “A leader who is regarded as or professes to be a savior or liberator”. The Messiah in the Koran saves no one.

It should be easy to understand that God would not command anyone to kill another over religion. No one knows what is in another’s heart (mind) and no man knows the future, so even if the other person does not believe in God now, he may turn to God later. God made everyone and God knows if that person will turn to Him, if you slay someone you have sealed their fate and prevented that person’s later salvation. But the Koran commands its followers to kill.

The Koran (The Women 4.89) “They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.”

If you do not know what is in another’s heart and you do not know what someone will do in the future, then you are not qualified to judge that person and if you are not qualified to judge then you are not qualified to kill. Remember they have a lifetime to learn about God, and they may turn to your way; unless you end their time prematurely. God does know what is in each man’s heart and God also knows the future, so God alone is qualified to judge. Does no one realize that to kill someone is usurping God’s rights and altering God’s plan? If God wanted someone dead then dead they would be: He needs no help. Make no mistake; God would not command someone to judge another. The Judge is the one that pronounces the sentence and that should be God. We are only the jury that determines guilt. If we examine ourselves, in truth, we can see that we are all guilty and without a Savior we are all condemned.

Both books proclaim that in order to live with God after judgment one must believe in God. So what does it mean “believe in God”? Well, as I understand it means “Believe in the true God”. The God that is Love wants everyone to love everyone else. By that I mean only to “do to others as you would have them do to you”. If everyone would adhere to this simple rule there would be world peace. No one would kill his neighbor because his neighbor did not understand as he does.

The true God always adheres to His own rules. He has told us to “do to others as you would have them do to you” and that is what He also does. No one wants someone else to make them do anything. Anything that we do should be because we want to do it. God does not make anyone turn to Him. He has explained Himself to us through the Bible and He has explained to us what He wants us to do, but the choice is a personal choice. Make the right choice and live with God forever, or make the wrong choice and live forever without God.

God made us for a purpose and that purpose is so that He can have someone to love. After this age is over He wants to live forever with those that love Him in return. No one wants to live forever with their enemies and God is no exception. If you destroy what God made by killing others, you are the enemy of God and He will throw His enemies out of Heaven and anywhere without God is Hell.

One book is a counterfeit and the other genuine. The definition of counterfeit is – Made in imitation of what is genuine with the intent to defraud. Can one make a counterfeit before the genuine? Which book was written first?

Islam is a mixture of religion, government, and law. If everyone obeyed the second royal law of the Christian religion there would be no need of government or law.