GOD ELECTED BARACK OBAMA.

“There is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.” (Romans 13:1 in part)

We in the United States think that we elect presidents, but they are authorities and God says that He establishes them. So, who is right, God, or man?

All my brothers become angry with me when I say that I do not vote. It is as if I am doing something wrong! If they really believed in a free country then they would have to accept, with out prejudice, my right not to vote.

I have found, over the years, that my choice for president was not God’s choice. I have only stood in God’s way by voting for the candidate that did not win! Had I voted in the last election I would have done so again.

I have also found that many Christians do not believe God. They say that they believe “in” God and they believe that He has a Son that was sent to save them and that is as far as they go. They do not study and therefore they know nothing more about God.

If they did study, they would understand that God gave or let us have this president. The world got the president that they wanted and Christians got the president that they deserve, because they did not believe God.

Christians in this country do not believe Romans 13:1, because they do not want to. They chose to believe that Jesus came to save them and just like the last church in Revelation, they say “I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing”, but they do not realize that they are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.

One who is naked has no covering. Jesus is our covering for sin.

It is not enough to believe “in” God. Even Satan and all of his angels believe “in” God. However, they do not believe God.

In my opinion, with my understanding, I am going to believe God, so I believe Romans 13:1. I also believe that we are the Church of Laodicea. The last Church, lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, a group of people that do not love God enough to search for understanding. Well, we do search for the words of salvation, but once we hear them, we stop the search and tell everyone how rich we are and that we need nothing else: REALLY?

“Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent”. (Rev 3:19).

Revelation 3:19 are not my words, but the Word of God. As for me, I am busy repenting of my own unbelief.

35 Responses to GOD ELECTED BARACK OBAMA.

  1. Liferestored says:

    Wow. I completely agree. We do have the same teacher I think! I do not vote either! Not because I’m not grateful for the opportunity because I most certainly am. I know many people of other nations would beg and plead for the opportunity. I also believe God when he says he puts rulers in place. It’s to fulfill His plan. His will. And who are we to say we can do better! Ha. I find many of my brethren who would elect a deprived and sick (at heart) individual because they say they are against Gay marriage and abortion. You see they don’t see the heart of man like God does. And it may be that God puts the “sick at heart” as ruler to further His plan. You know what? I’m good with Gods plan. I only pray he gives me the strength and wisdom to further His kingdom and not diminish. I often think of how Billy Grahmm chose not to endorse one party or the other. I really respected that. Until this election he decided to change his view of the Morman church. Why? Oh we’ll great post. Thank you

  2. astudent says:

    Liferestored,

    Thanks for the comment. It is encouraging to see that others understand.

    As a matter of fact, I think that you may be the first brother that has agreed with me about voting.

    It is great to see that others think about and believe God.

    You made my day!

  3. Joseph Lule says:

    Hi astudent,
    I been astounded by the wisdom God has given you, but i would like to say there is the will of God and the permissive will of God. The will of God for your country was to have someone else be your President but because men have rebelled to the will of God He grants them their desires as Romans 1:28 puts it “furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.” and this is what i call the permissive will of God which he has established because of the depravity of man, by the way the Bible says Nebuchadnezzar who went to destroy the temple of God was His servant, God sent a heathen who worshiped idols to destroy His temple and called him His servant.Truly God is to be feared.

  4. astudent says:

    Joseph Lule,

    I am also impressed with the wisdom and understanding that God has given you. I have been enlightened by our conversations in the past and hope for more in the future.

    When I started my quest for understanding, I asked God for complete understanding. At that time I thought that I could not understand as much as Solomon, because God said that there would never be anyone like him again. However, as I read Lamentations I see that Solomon wasted his time (as I do also) on understanding the world instead of God.

    I have come to the conclusion that God does not have to curse someone. All He has to do is not to help them and the curse is the result.

    I wonder about Nebuchadnezzar, after Nebuchadnezzar finished his time as an animal, he praised God (Dan 4:34-37)!

    I believe that everyone is the servant of God: even Satan. There are those that want to be, and try to do the will of God, and those who do not want to be, that do the will of Satan.

    Thanks for the comment. I wondered if you were still reading. I have a bad habit of being to blunt and sounding like I know everything, when I really do not. Well, not yet. Ha Ha

  5. Joseph Lule says:

    Thanks Astudent,
    I still do read, I have also been wondering about Nebuchadnezzar, after Nebuchadnezzar finished his time as an animal, You will notice that after that time He is never again mentioned, i think we may be for a surprise in heaven.
    I once wondered aloud if a Christian stole from a company then later God ministered to him to report the crime and return the money to his boss and eventually he would do so and get fired and ask God for forgiveness, a lot of us would condemn him as a thief but to God he is forgiven. Most likely he would be found in heaven than that Christian who took little things from the office and was never found and never came clean of his actions before God would not be in favor with God.Truly godliness is a mystery.

  6. astudent says:

    Joseph Lule,

    I am thinking that we will probably see Nebuchadnezzar in heaven, but I am not real sure. However, I believe that we will be surprised about others being there, or not there: that is if we think about them at all.

    I wonder if a Christian could steal something and not feel so bad that they would not ask for forgiveness. When I do something wrong and I do every now and then, I immediately feel the Spirit within convicting me.

    Having said that I believe most businesses would give small things to the workers if they ask. I operated a small business and I would give small things to those who worked at the business. I would also forgive anyone that took something from me: whether it was small or large. If anyone is condemned for stealing, it will be God that condemns and not me. I do not think that I would enjoy eternity if I had that much time to think that I sent someone to Hell because of money. That is not to say that they would be innocent, just that I would not condemn them.

  7. Joseph Lule says:

    Hi astudent,
    By the way i would say that today those who are Christians are at most presumptions and i was like one of those. There was a time i was not sensitive to the Spirit of God and i would do things knowing very well they were wrong but what made me from coming out in the open to say that i was wrong was that i feared repercussions that would have resulted from the confession.
    I presumed that if i asked God for forgiveness it was done. I later learnt that public confession was important because i was accountable in secret and open to God and man, because though i repented i kept on doing the same wrong thing.
    This is what happens with most Christians they would fall into a sin like fornication and because it was done in secret it would never be known if confessed to God only, fearing that they would suffer public humiliation yet forget what i learnt that public confession would help one not repeat the same thing with the help of the Holy Spirit, just as King David repented before God and the public that he would not go back again to that sin.
    This is really what is affecting the Church and because of this i learnt that if i kept on my way the Holy Spirit would leave and just as King David said in Psalms after committing the sin of Adultery was that “Please do not take away your Spirit”.
    This is for the reason i was saying we will be surprised who will be in Heaven.

  8. astudent says:

    Joseph Lule,

    Thanks for the comment. It made me think and that is why I write.

    It seems that I never view anything the same way as others. That is not to say that I am always right, or that they are wrong. Sometimes we are not viewing the subject from the same angle. Perhaps this is such a situation.

    I do not believe in public confession of sins. I know that James 5:16 (NIV) says, “Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.” But I do not view the verse as saying we should confess all of our sins in public.

    If we sin against someone, then we should confess to that person and that person will know that we are genuine, but when we confess sins to others, that are not sins against them, it may seem that we are bragging about being forgiven of sins. I know that is not true in your case, but how someone else thinks is certainly possible and I would not want to create that thought in someone’s mind.

    It is not right for me to try to hide the fact that I sin, but I don’t believe God wants me to tell others about them. That is what Satan does. He tells God our sins: as if God doesn’t know about them! I think it is enough to admit that we sin to everyone. After all, all sins are against God, even when we sin against our brothers, it is a sin against God. Both God and the person should be confessed to, but it is no one else’s business.

    I searched for where David confessed his sin in public, but I did not find it. Perhaps I just missed it. I found that he confessed to Nathan, but Nathan was speaking for God and so confessing to Nathan was confessing to God. When David’s servants asked him, “Why are you acting this way? He did not tell them of his sin.

    To repent means, “To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition for one’s sins.” (American Heritage Dictionary). It does not mean only to confess, though it would be impossible to change without admitting wrong.

    I agree that we are accountable to God and man, but only to God and the man that we sin against.

    Look at it this way, God says, (James 3:10 NIV) “Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be.” If you said the same things about others, that you say about yourself when you publicly confess your own sins, then wouldn’t you be cursing them? If you confess your own sins publicly, are you not cursing yourself?

    I think that public confession relieves the pressure of sin. It makes the sinner feel better, but I do not want to feel better about my own sin. It takes the power away from sin. God let me sin so that I would realize it is wrong. The stronger that I feel that sin is wrong, the better for me. I try to deal with sin the way God does. After I confess it, I try to forget it and not do it again.

    Having said all of that, I think God has given me the answer to what is really affecting the Church of this time in history. Those in the Church are lukewarm. They do not love God. They only love what God does for them. If you love someone, then you want to be with them and know everything about them, but Christians today stop thinking about God when they walk out the door of the church and immediately start thinking about their own desires. Sins can and will be forgiven, but not loving God will be returned in kind.

    I have to laugh. You did not write about this, but God took what you wrote and led me in a slightly different direction. He does that quite often.

  9. Joseph Lule says:

    Hi Astudent,

    It is true we usually view things differently as human beings, and it is true the bible says in James 5:16 (NIV) says, “Therefore confess your sins to each other…” It is also true that we should confess sins to those who we have sinned against and by the way this is also public confession which i was alluding too. This is what was revealed to me, that it was necessary despite the repercussions that may occur. In that one has to confess to man who is sinned against to and to God.
    God is good He just led you to a slightly different direction which you have raised and is in commonly known as ‘public sins” or “corporate sins”. Example of this can be described as in the case of Israel Idolatry which is also practiced in Church.
    How do you confess to this sin when God Himself sends a word through His prophet that a particular congregation has forsaken Him? What would the leaders do?Would they each go on their own room to confess their sin or they would congregate together and seek God’s forgiveness which would be seen in public. I would say the answer lies in Ezra 10:1 while Ezra was praying and confessing, weeping and throwing himself down before the house of God, a large crowd of Israelites—men, women and children—gathered around him. They too wept bitterly.
    Here Ezra took the first step to publicly humble himself and pray and ask forgiveness from God for the unfaithfulness of Israel and thereafter the large crowd gathered around him and they too wept for their sins. This is the true public confession whereby it is not done for someone else but to God and they would not care what people said about them as they sought forgiveness to their God. For them it was necessary to seek forgiveness even in the open area.
    Going back to David you will notice that his attendants knew he had sinned as stated in 2 Samuel 11:4 “then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (Now she was purifying herself from her monthly uncleanness.) Then she went back home.”and when confronted by Nathan he confessed his sin to Nathan and God. Also note that as soon as Nathan left God struck the child with illness and he thought to himself as stated in verse 22 “while the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, ‘Who knows? The Lord may be gracious to me and let the child live.” He thought that by fasting and praying and confessing his sin, God would let the child live but that was not the will of God. This is the confessing of sin that was done in public by David before his attendants and the elders of his house.
    What i was trying to say is that we are accountable to God and man, and though others may not be affected by our sin, they are watching our lives because we were called to be the light. They may not be affected by our sin but they will watch the way we deal with other people and God especially on how we deal with sin. Do we show contempt to the Lord and take His way casually thereby becoming lukewarm as was stated to David in verse 14 “But because by doing this you have shown utter contempt for[a] the Lord, the son born to you will die.” or we have the love of God.
    You might be surprised but unbelievers really do pay attention to the way we walk with Christ and especially if we have been really been delivered from our past sins, we are a living testimony to them.
    This is the problem that is with the Church, how can we claim we are born again and yet go back to the same sin that we claim we were delivered from, You know it is as if the Church is saying that the blood of Jesus has no power to cleanse sin and thereby our Lord Jesus must again go back to the cross so that the Church can be fully delivered.
    I know i might have also diverted along the way but in all ways God leads us.

  10. astudent says:

    Joseph Lule,

    I am having a hard time accepting that David confessed his sins in public.

    It is true that many knew about his sins, but I cannot find a verse that states he confessed. There are many verses that reveal to us that servants, men, messengers, Joab, Bathsheba, and Nathan knew about his sin, but I see no verses, other than 2 Sam 12:13, that said David confessed his sin to anyone else. Nathan even had to trick David with a made up story about a poor man and his lamb in order to get David to confess.

    After the child died, David did not tell his servants that the child died because of his sins. When he was asked why he was acting as he did, his answer was “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, ‘Who knows? The LORD may be gracious to me and let the child live.’ But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.” (NIV) That was not a confession of his sin at all.

    Perhaps I just do not understand exactly what you mean as public confession. We have grown up and live in different parts of the world and that sometimes leads to different understandings.

    Do you mean to stand in public and face the person that you have wronged and ask for his forgiveness, or do you mean to stand and confess without the wronged person present? I think that confessing to the wronged person, in public, would be a good thing to do: also a hard thing, as it should be.

    It seems to be the practice in the churches here, in America that it is right and proper to confess sins, in public, without actually confessing to anyone in particular. It seems that they call it “giving witness” or “testifying”. One states all kinds of sins and then says God has forgiven them.

    I guess that I am put off by this, because as a student of Christ, I know that sin is not forgiven; it is, or has been, paid for. It seems to cheapen the great sacrifice that my Savior has made for me and anyone else that will accept it.

    I agree that we are accountable to both God and man. However, if we practice the second royal law and do to others, as we would have them do to us, then we would have nothing to confess: in public or private.

    I think that most of us go back to the sins that we commit. It is a slow and difficult undertaking, to stop sin, and I do not believe it is even possible. However, it is possible to slow the continued acts of sin. I have not stopped sinning, but I am trying. I am sure that as I continue to try to stop, that I still need, and still have, a Savior.

  11. Joseph Lule says:

    Astudent
    Please allow me to first state by saying that what i meant was as you have stated in your fourth paragraph as confession which is to “..stand in public and face the person that you have wronged and ask for his forgiveness,..would be a good thing to do: also a hard thing” This is what was revealed to me and by the way it can be done either privately or in public depending on the situation.

    And as you said in your following paragraph today churches have abused what i call as public confessions on corporate sins as i had described as stated in Ezra 10:1 while Ezra was praying and confessing, weeping and throwing himself down before the house of God, a large crowd of Israelites—men, women and children—gathered around him. They too wept bitterly.

    Which was also done in 1 Samuel 7:6 When they had assembled at Mizpah, they drew water and poured it out before the Lord. On that day they fasted and there they confessed, “We have sinned against the Lord.” Now Samuel was serving as leader[a] of Israel at Mizpah.

    Please note this public confession was done to God, Directed to God.

    Also this was done in Acts 19:17-19 “When this became known to the Jews and Greeks living in Ephesus, they were all seized with fear, and the name of the Lord Jesus was held in high honor. Many of those who believed now came and openly confessed what they had done. A number who had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly. When they calculated the value of the scrolls, the total came to fifty thousand drachmas.”

    Also this was done Matthew 3:5-6 “People went out to him from Jerusalem and all Judea and the whole region of the Jordan. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.”

    This type of confession has been abused by churches because it should be directed to God and as stated in Ezra 10:1 Christians should be weeping for their sins before God thereby giving the true witness to other people that even the most terrible and wicked person can be forgiven and changed.

  12. Joseph Lule says:

    Astudent,

    On David in 2 Samuel 12:16 it says ‘David pleaded with God for the child. He fasted and spent the nights lying in sackcloth on the ground.”
    David after being told that his child would die he went into prayer and fasting for the child and note spent the nights lying in sackcloth.
    it should be noted that he went to prayer and fasting for the child.

    Note he put on sackcloth. What does it mean to wear sackcloth?

    First we can look at book of Jonah 3:5 The Ninevites believed God. A fast was proclaimed, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth.
    As state above after being warned by Prophet Jonah the people of the Ninevites believed Prophet Jonah and proclaimed a fast and put on a sackcloth to show others that they were repenting their sins. Further explanation is also given by Jesus in Matthew 11:21 “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. – Our Lord Jesus is saying that if the miracles that were performed had been done in Chorazin and Bethasaida had been done in Tyre and Sidon they would have seen that they needed to repent of their sins and would have put on sackcloth and ashes to show publicly they had repented of their sins.

    Basically when someone put on a sackcloth they were mourning for their sins and it was a public act of what is in the heart that, that person like Ezra was weeping and repenting of their sin which is also explained in
    1 King 29:28 “When Ahab heard these words, he tore his clothes, put on sackcloth and fasted. He lay in sackcloth and went around meekly.Then the word of the Lord came to Elijah the Tishbite: “Have you noticed how Ahab has humbled himself before me? Because he has humbled himself, I will not bring this disaster in his day, but I will bring it on his house in the days of his son.”

    Please note there is the putting on of sackcloth when one mourns for a dead person as was stated in Genesis 37:34 Then Jacob tore his clothes, put on sackcloth and mourned for his son many days. and 2 Samuel 3;31 Then David said to Joab and all the people with him, “Tear your clothes and put on sackcloth and walk in mourning in front of Abner.” King David himself walked behind the bier.

    This is why King David officials were astonished that after the child had died instead of mourning for the child in sackcloth, he answered “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, ‘Who knows? The LORD may be gracious to me and let the child live.’ But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.”

    Going back to 2 Samuel 12:16 it says ‘David pleaded with God for the child. He fasted and spent the nights lying in sackcloth on the ground.” – He pleaded with God for the child believing that The LORD may be gracious to him and let the child live, because to him and the rest of us the child was innocent, It was him David that had committed sin and it was not the child but as you have said the child died because of King David sins.

    Om the issue of Prophet Nathan tricking King David on the story i have learnt sin will always make us numb to the voice of God, our ears become clogged and we hardly notice our sins, unless God confronts us directly as was done to King David and we will be quick to notice other people sins, forgetting our sins.

  13. astudent says:

    Joseph Lule,

    I think I understand what you have said about public confession and I agree. I have developed a distaste for it, because it seems to be only a show when I have witnessed it. As you say, it has been abused. It is almost as if the one that is “giving witness” is bragging about their sins. They were never weeping.

    Kings and rich men wear fine clothes, so putting on sackcloth was a way to show others, or admit publicly that one was not such a fine person. That would be a type of public confession, so I see what you mean.

    Like David, I would and do publicly admit that I am a sinner. Therefore, I would also don sackcloth; however, no one today would understand what I was doing.

    As I exchanged comments with you, I have gained a better understanding of public confession. I have not changed my understanding. I still would not confess the exact sin, or sins that I am guilty of, to anyone but God and the one that I sinned against. That is unless the Spirit within me would not let me alone until I did. If it were the right thing to do, in the circumstance, the Spirit would keep drawing my attention to it.

    Tears come when we realize that we have really let our Father down. I was taught, as a child, not to cry and it has become part of me. Never the less, there have been times that I have wept.

    Weeping is usually a form of self-pity and I cannot stand self-pity. I have found that attitude is in keeping with how a Christian should act. There is no need for self-pity when God loves me.

    Now, do not think that I am saying that someone who weeps should not. It is just the way I am: probably because of my upbringing.

    As for David being tricked into admitting his sin, I agree with you. The sins of others are much easier to see and it consumes the time that one should be looking for their own sins. I know from experience that if you try to show others their sins, they just inter a mode of self-defense, and they are so busy defending themselves, they do not have time to consider that they might be wrong. Therefore, it is usually necessary to trick them.

    Usually it is enough to just ask them if they think something is right and then let the Spirit convict them. It could be that in that circumstance, what ever it was, that it was right.

  14. Joseph Lule says:

    Hi Astudent,
    I thank the Lord for all the understanding that He has given us and truly He is One.
    I do understand you now truly now there is the Godly sorrow that does not lead to self pity but leads to repentance and there is the human sorrow that leads to self pity which is sin.
    I would like to say that at one time i watched someone giving a “testimony of their past life” that really broke my heart. She was boasting about the life she lived in sin, how she misled men and easily got away with it, there was no remorse in her talk, that Godly sorrow of mourning of the sin was not there.
    I was shocked because when i look at my past without Jesus it really saddens me that i lived a life that wicked and like Paul now i have to run my race that has been set before me looking unto Jesus my savoir and Lord.He is the one who delivered me and will continue to deliver me from those sins that easily ensnare.
    This is what i said has been abused, it no longer about how Jesus but about people lives.This is the gospel that is being preached in Churches.
    Truly the Lord said His way is a narrow, and as one confesses his/her sins unless it is brought about by Godly sorrow that leads to repentance, one can easily slide to self pity or pride (bragging of sins). Truly it is a narrow road and one must be lead by the Holy Spirit.Truly it is the Holy Spirit that leads people to Christ, without Him each one of us can slide to the wide path to hell.
    i cry not my way but His Way.

  15. Joseph Lule says:

    Hi Astudent
    I wanted if possible you would allow me to discuss this with you and it relates to the book of Revelation 19 about the woman riding on a beast, I was just shocked by the revelation I hope God may lead us to knowing the truth.

    Church (who is a woman (see Isaiah 54:5, Ephesians 5:22-23, Romans 7:42 Corinthians 11:2-4, Revelation 19:7–8) and whose head is written Babylon the great, see Rev 17:5) is riding on a kingdom that is described as a beast that has ten horns which are ten kings (Daniel 7;24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them (note this) another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.) who will come from this kingdom and after them another will arise different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.(see Daniel 7;24, Rev 19;3, Rev 19;7, Rev 19;9-12).

    The beast has seven heads and seven horns, which means the beast has the characteristics of seven hills which are mountains (mountains represent the power of kingdoms and their individual kings and as stated in Daniel 2:35 Christ kingdom is destined to become “a great mountain” and fill the whole earth) and are also known as kingdoms in which five at the time of John writing of the book of revelation had fallen (The angel states that five had fallen as stated Rev 19:9) and two were remaining and that the beast belongs to the seventh kingdom.( Rev 19;9 Jer. 51:25; Dan. 2:35; Zec. 4:7)

    The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.
    These ten horns are ten kings who will receive authority in the last hour (Israel has come into existence. (see Daniel 7:24 and also 1 John 2:18).

    It shows that this Church rides on a kingdom that has already had ten kings and as described in Daniel 7:24 ten kings will come from the last kingdom and after them then the anti-Christ who is the beast and eleventh king will arise. Note again the ten kings will receive authority for one hour which the bible describes as the last hour along with the beast. The last hour is described in the bible as the time when the fig tree which is Israel has come into existence.

    This also shows that the beast that has ten horns and seven heads has taken the characteristics of the seven kingdoms that are described as hills, it is a mixture of the kingdoms that have had influence over the world and as some say kingdoms that have greatly impacted Israel that is Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Mede-persia, Rome and the kingdom of the beast as stated that as in Rev 17:11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

    This scares me because most churches have always said that the last kingdom will be ruled by ten kings which is not true as described in Dan 7:24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them (note this) another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.

    Again the woman is described as the mother of prostitutes as stated in Rev 17:5 and this was also the description of Israel when they became unfaithful to the Lord as stated in Ezekiel 16 :5 “‘But you trusted in your beauty and used your fame to become a prostitute. You lavished your favors on anyone who passed by and your beauty became his.” The Church when it becomes unfaithful will be described as an prostitute that was destined to be married to Christ, and rather than being married to Christ it has sort the things of the world.

    I am shocked about this revelation but just confirms what is in my spirit that the eleventh king is already on the throne, and the time for Judgement that the Lord had set is almost.

  16. Joseph Lule says:

    Question Astudent
    Given The same people were still running the Government
    even after Richard Nixon had resigned, would you consider former president Gerald Ford as care-taker ruler in a biblical way?

  17. astudent says:

    Joseph,

    I see that you are a lot more sensitive than I am. As I said, I was taught not to weep when I was a child. That has advantages and disadvantages as well. One of the disadvantages is that I have become a bit thick skinned, but then that serves me well when someone criticizes me, so it isn’t all bad.

    We are not supposed to be exactly alike. Some drink wine and see no sin in it and others criticize those who drink, as if it is a sin.

    If you feel closer to God when you weep, then I am happy when you do so. (That would certainly sound bad, if we did not understand each other)

    When I hear someone giving a testimony I am afraid that I get angry at them, instead of heartbroken. I like your reaction, it is far better than mine, and I will try to emulate it. That is if I hear another testimony, as I avoid them as much as possible.

    I look to God for advice about everything and I know that I should do as He does. So when I think about my sin and consider how God handles it, I try not to think about it, because I know that is what He does, or rather does not do.

    I have not had time to consider your last two comments and I do not like to say anything until I have thought about it. Just so you know that I am not ignoring you.

  18. astudent says:

    Joseph,

    I have to laugh. In your exuberance to explain your understanding you have indicated verses that are not correct.

    I know that you have just hit the wrong keys, but I am having a hard time understanding what you mean.

    For instance, there is no Romans 7:42 and it seems that some of the verses in Revelation where you have used chapter 19 you really meant 17.

    It might be easer to understand if we were not speaking so much about numbers.

    Please forgive me, but I am too lazy, and the chance of errors to great, to try to ascertain with certainty your understanding.

    I know that it is clear to you, but could you proof read and correct the errors.

    Don’t feel bad, everyone makes mistakes, I am better at it than you.

  19. Joseph Lule says:

    Hi astudent,
    I am sorry i was caught up in some things that is why i did not reply soon, i am ok with your corrections and please see below what i wanted to say. thanks.
    The base scripture was Revelation 17 and which I was trying to look at, basically the meaning and the identification of the beast kingdom and the woman riding the beast. There has been a lot of explanation regarding this chapter from various people and Churches and what had caught my attention was the description of the Beast Kingdom that would come up in the last days which would be ruled by ten kings who would share their authority with the Beast in the sense they would be co-rulers with the beast.
    This has led to people to look at the European Union believing that anti-Christ and the ten rulers would rule the world from the European Union until I came across Daniel 7:24 which says “The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.” The book of Daniel says the ten kings will come from this kingdom and after them; I again stress that after they have ruled another king would rise different from the earlier ones and he will subdue three kings. Daniel says after them which means after they have ruled this ruler who is the eleventh King who is the beast described in the book of Revelation 13 who rules alone and would force the world to worship him and the Devil would reign alone as the eleventh King as described in Revelation 13. These revelations shocked me and thought of sharing it with you and lead me to look at again at Revelation 17. That is when i was shown that the description of the woman always in the bible refers to the people of God, first as was shown as described in Isaiah 54:5 For your Maker is your husband—the Lord Almighty is his name— the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; he is called the God of all the earth and Ezekiel 16 where in both occasions God describes Israel as His Wife and later also in the New testament the Church also is described as a the bride of Christ and that is why I stated the verses that I mistakenly put together Romans and Corinthians and kind of you saw as Romans 7:42 (see Ephesians 5:22-23, Romans 7:4, 2 Corinthians 11:2-4, Revelation 19:7–8) In the book of Revelation 17 most people still look at the writing on the head of the woman to know who the woman is but the real identification should be the woman who has become a prostitute who God describes as Babylon the great, Mother of harlots (see Rev 17:5) who is riding on a kingdom that is described as a beast that has ten horns which are ten kings (Daniel 7:24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them (my emphasis) another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.) who will come from this kingdom and after them another will arise different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.(see Daniel 7;24, Rev 17;3, Rev 17;7, Rev 17;9-12). This woman who is dressed beautifully as described in book of Revelation 17:4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls which also marches with Ezekiel 16:10-13 I clothed you with an embroidered dress and put sandals of fine leather on you. I dressed you in fine linen and covered you with costly garments. 11 I adorned you with jewelry: I put bracelets on your arms and a necklace around your neck, 12 and I put a ring on your nose, earrings on your ears and a beautiful crown on your head. 13 So you were adorned with gold and silver; your clothes were of fine linen and costly fabric and embroidered cloth. Your food was honey, olive oil and the finest flour. You became very beautiful and rose to be a queen. And by the way Revelation 18:7 which shows that the woman sees herself as a queen just like Israel was when she was about to fall as stated “give her as much torment and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself. In her heart she boasts, ‘I sit enthroned as queen. I am not a widow; I will never mourn.” This woman who in her heart boasts, ‘I sit enthroned as queen. I am not a widow; I will never mourn.” is the Church who has fallen and by the way just as Jeremiah lamented over the fall of Israel, this Church also being lamented to as described in Revelation 18:2 With a mighty voice he shouted: Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’ She has become a dwelling for demons and a haunt for every impure spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal. One should ask why would the bible lament over a woman who has fallen unless that woman so close to the Lord. This just shows that this woman is the fallen Church that was destined to be the bride of Christ. Thereafter the bible describes the beast as described in Revelation 17:9-11This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while.11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction. The beast has seven heads which are described as seven hills which represent powers of the kingdoms which means their glory which is a shadow of the Great Kingdom to come as described in Daniel 2:35 “Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were all broken to pieces and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth.” And also the Angel says there also mean as seven kings and later says five have fallen, note the angel says five have fallen as at the time John was writing the book of Revelation and one was still standing and note also the angel says the other has not yet come and that the beast belongs to the seventh hill as stated in Revelation 17:11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction. It is widely believed that the hills represent those nations that have greatly influenced Israel and they mention them as Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Media Persia, Greece, Rome and the last Kingdom.
    Further the Angel tells John in Revelation 17:12-13“The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast.
    The bible says at the time John was writing the book of Revelation the ten kings had not received a kingdom but for one hour they would receive authority as kings along with the beast.
    What is the meaning of the hour? I believe it describes as a time for the reign of the kings and to understand the meaning the meaning of description of the hour it can be said as time directed by God as stated John 8:20 “He spoke these words while teaching in the temple courts near the place where the offerings were put. Yet no one seized him, because his hour had not yet come.” The people in the temple courts could not seize Him until the appointed time set by God so also these rulers could only become Kings at the time appointed by God which is the last hour when Israel would come into existence as stated in Matthew 24: 32-34 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.”

    I believe that the reigns of the ten kings will be during the time Israel is in existence because Israel coming to existence is a pointer that the days are about to end which also can be described as the last hour when the ten kings would reign with the beast.
    I am not sure if it is correct which thereafter led me to count your presidents from the existence of Israel and That is why I asked the question Given The same people were still running the Government even after Richard Nixon had resigned, would you consider former president Gerald Ford as care-taker ruler in a biblical way?

  20. Joseph Lule says:

    sorry but this one is rightly paragraphed
    The base scripture was Revelation 17 and which I was trying to look at, basically the meaning and the identification of the beast kingdom and the woman riding the beast. There has been a lot of explanation regarding this chapter from various people and Churches and what had caught my attention was the description of the Beast Kingdom that would come up in the last days which would be ruled by ten kings who would share their authority with the Beast in the sense they would be co-rulers with the beast.

    This has led to people to look at the European Union believing that anti-Christ and the ten rulers would rule the world from the European Union until I came across Daniel 7:24 which says “The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.”
    The book of Daniel says the ten kings will come from this kingdom and after them; I again stress that after they have ruled another king would rise different from the earlier ones and he will subdue three kings.
    Daniel says after them which means after they have ruled this ruler who is the eleventh King who is the beast described in the book of Revelation 13 who rules alone and would force the world to worship him and the Devil would reign alone as the eleventh King as described in Revelation 13.
    These revelations shocked me and thought of sharing it with you and lead me to look at again at Revelation 17.
    That is when i was shown that the description of the woman always in the bible refers to the people of God, first as was shown as described in Isaiah 54:5 For your Maker is your husband—the Lord Almighty is his name— the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; he is called the God of all the earth and Ezekiel 16 where in both occasions God describes Israel as His Wife and later also in the New testament the Church also is described as a the bride of Christ and that is why I stated the verses that I mistakenly put together Romans and Corinthians and kind of you saw as Romans 7:42 (see Ephesians 5:22-23, Romans 7:4, 2 Corinthians 11:2-4, Revelation 19:7–8)

    In the book of Revelation 17 most people still look at the writing on the head of the woman to know who the woman is but the real identification should be the woman who has become a prostitute who God describes as Babylon the great, Mother of harlots (see Rev 17:5) who is riding on a kingdom that is described as a beast that has ten horns which are ten kings (Daniel 7:24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them (my emphasis) another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.) who will come from this kingdom and after them another will arise different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.(see Daniel 7;24, Rev 17;3, Rev 17;7, Rev 17;9-12).
    This woman who is dressed beautifully as described in book of Revelation 17:4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls which also marches with Ezekiel 16:10-13 I clothed you with an embroidered dress and put sandals of fine leather on you. I dressed you in fine linen and covered you with costly garments. I adorned you with jewelry: I put bracelets on your arms and a necklace around your neck, and I put a ring on your nose, earrings on your ears and a beautiful crown on your head. So you were adorned with gold and silver; your clothes were of fine linen and costly fabric and embroidered cloth. Your food was honey, olive oil and the finest flour. You became very beautiful and rose to be a queen.
    And by the way Revelation 18:7 which shows that the woman sees herself as a queen just like Israel was when she was about to fall as stated “give her as much torment and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself. In her heart she boasts, ‘I sit enthroned as queen. I am not a widow; I will never mourn.” This woman who in her heart boasts, ‘I sit enthroned as queen. I am not a widow; I will never mourn.” is the Church who has fallen and by the way just as Jeremiah lamented over the fall of Israel, this Church also being lamented to as described in Revelation 18:2 With a mighty voice he shouted: Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’ She has become a dwelling for demons and a haunt for every impure spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
    One should ask why would the bible lament over a woman who has fallen unless that woman so close to the Lord. This just shows that this woman is the fallen Church that was destined to be the bride of Christ.
    Thereafter the bible describes the beast as described in Revelation 17:9-11This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction. The beast has seven heads which are described as seven hills which represent powers of the kingdoms which means their glory which is a shadow of the Great Kingdom to come as described in Daniel 2:35 “Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were all broken to pieces and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth.”
    And also the Angel says there also mean as seven kings and later says five have fallen, note the angel says five have fallen as at the time John was writing the book of Revelation and one was still standing and note also the angel says the other has not yet come and that the beast belongs to the seventh hill as stated in Revelation 17:11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.
    It is widely believed that the hills represent those nations that have greatly influenced Israel and they mention them as Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Media Persia, Greece, Rome and the last Kingdom.
    Further the Angel tells John in Revelation 17:12-13“The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast.
    The bible says at the time John was writing the book of Revelation the ten kings had not received a kingdom but for one hour they would receive authority as kings along with the beast.
    What is the meaning of the hour? I believe it describes as a time for the reign of the kings and to understand the meaning the meaning of description of the hour it can be said as time directed by God as stated John 8:20 “He spoke these words while teaching in the temple courts near the place where the offerings were put. Yet no one seized him, because his hour had not yet come.” The people in the temple courts could not seize Him until the appointed time set by God so also these rulers could only become Kings at the time appointed by God which is the last hour when Israel would come into existence as stated in Matthew 24: 32-34 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.”

    I believe that the reigns of the ten kings will be during the time Israel is in existence because Israel coming to existence is a pointer that the days are about to end which also can be described as the last hour when the ten kings would reign with the beast.
    I am not sure if it is correct which thereafter led me to count your presidents from the existence of Israel and That is why I asked the question Given The same people were still running the Government even after Richard Nixon had resigned, would you consider former president Gerald Ford as care-taker ruler in a biblical way?

  21. Joseph Lule says:

    Revelation 13:1-4 says “The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. 4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”

    If you look at this beast it resembled a leopard which means basically it looked more like as stated in Daniel 7:6 “After that, I looked, and there before me was another beast, one that looked like a leopard. And on its back it had four wings like those of a bird. This beast had four heads, and it was given authority to rule.”

    It is believed that this is description is the Roman Empire and that the bible says when you look at it resembled a leopard, basically when you see this kingdom you could easily see the Roman Empire and that its feet like of a bear which means one could also see the influence of Media-Persia and also a mouth like that of a lion and therefore one could see the influence of Babylon.

    Please note it is a kingdom and until the last days or hour when the dragon stands on the shore of the sea that he gives this kingdom his power, throne and great authority.

    I believe that just as Jesus was tempted as stated in Matthew 4: 8-10 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.” Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.

    So also the rulers of this nation were tempted and were offered his power and his throne and great authority and instead serving the Lord God they agreed to serve Satan in exchange of his power and his throne and great authority.

  22. Joseph Lule says:

    Also note this Kingdom comes out of the seas, seas are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages as stated in Revelation 17:15 Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.

    This kingdom rose was among the peoples, multitudes, nations and languages but it rulers during the last hour agreed to worship the dragon in exchange of his power and his throne and great authority.

    One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed and because of this the whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.

    Now People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the Kingdom, and they also worshiped the Kingdom and asked, “Who is like the Kingdom? Who can wage war against it?”

  23. Joseph Lule says:

    Also note this Kingdom seamed to have a fatal wound and that fatal wound seemed to have been healed and because of this the whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.

    Please remember this is a spiritual wound. What is this wound? How can one get a spiritual wound unless wounded by the sword of God.
    This wound I believe is the division. One if you look at the book of Daniel 2:40 Which says “Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others.Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.”

    This Kingdom according to Prophet Daniel is partly iron and partly clay and was described it will be divided kingdom s the kingdom will be a people of mixture and will not remain united. It is a divided kingdom as decreed by the word of God that it will be party strong and partly brittle.

    This wound will to the world seem to have been healed and because of this the world will see this and would be filled with wonder especially at the time of the reign of the eleventh king who is the beast as described in the Revelation 13 and thereafter would follow the beast.
    The world would wonder at the beast who has overcame division and remained united and thereafter would seek to be like the beast and because of this they would worship the Dragon and they will also worship the beast for they will say who is like the beast., who can wage war against it.

  24. astudent says:

    Joseph,

    You have said much and I agree with what you have said. However, because I am only a man, as we both are, I see some of the things from a slightly different angle. That is not to say that you are wrong, just that I am standing in a different place than you.

    If I stand 50 feet behind a stop sign and you stand 50 feet in front of the same sign, we will see it differently. You will see that it says, “Stop”, but I, even though we view the same sign, will not see “Stop”.

    Having said that, I think that the woman on the beast is Israel, not the Church of Jesus Christ. That is not to say that we are any different from Israel. It seems as though we have repeated the same sins as Israel. The old saying that history repeats its self is accurate.

    The church of today says the same things that Israel or the prostitute said. We say that we are rich and do not need a thing. Those who lead the church allow the members to view them as one who has the Words of God, when everyone has the Words of God. That is everyone that has called on the name of Jesus and been baptized. The church has become a dwelling for demons and a haunt for impure spirits: the problems of the Catholic Church prove that. So, I agree with you in part.

    The future is very difficult to comprehend, because God wants to hide the details. Maybe because if we knew everything we would not learn to love Him, but we would use the knowledge to wait until the last minute to turn to Him and in doing so we would not be genuine in our love.

    I think that the forth beast, spoken of in Daniel, is Islam. Islam fits the description. It is a type of government that is different from every government before it. It was formed to oppose the God of the universe. That is the only real goal of Islam: that is to rule the earth, so all of God’s people are destroyed. It is a government that crushes and devours its victims and tramples underfoot whatever is left. No other beast, or government, was ever like Islam.

    Islam speaks against the true God. It is a government that still recognizes the power of kings and I think that the kings that are spoken of, in the parts of the Bible that prophesy, are kings of Islamic governments or countries. I do not know the identity of the particular kings that are spoken of, but all of the kings of Islam speak against the Most High and suppress His saints.

    Though it is frightening to think about, I believe that we will be handed over to Islam, just as Daniel 7:25 says.

    Also, Islam was wounded during the Crusades and the world considered it destroyed, a fatal wound, but it was not fatal and it has been healed.

    As I think about beasts and governments, it seems to me that all governments oppose God. They are agents of wrath (Rom 13:4) and God is love (1 John 4:8), not a God of wrath. That is not to say that He will not bring wrath on the evil doer: it will be a strange thing, but a necessary thing.

    Every government before Islam was created by men in order to increase their power and wealth. That is what makes Islam different, as it was not created to advance the wealth and power of men, but the power of the one that opposes the Most High.

    I am not sure that I want to know all there is to know about the end. It would be something like knowing exactly when I am going to die. Though I know that I must, I do not want to know exactly when it will happen. Understanding Islam is a lot like finding out you have cancer. You know that it will eventually kill you, but you do not know exactly when and you fight it as best as you can.

    Actually, I should have said that you go to the Healer and trust Him to save you. I am sure He will, if we just ask.

  25. astudent says:

    Joseph,

    I might have left you a bit confused (That is only because I am a bit confused).

    I said that I agreed with you and then did not, on some of what you said.

    I think that the woman that is riding the beast, in Revelation 17, can be viewed as either Israel or the Church, as the Church of today has repeated the sins of Israel. However, it might be possible to view the woman as anyone that does not believe God, as they commit the same sins. Perhaps the woman is basically a symbol of unbelievers.

    I have to laugh. The angel said that he would explain the woman to John and the explanation is written for us as well and yet I cannot claim that I understand it: yet.

    The explanation is, (Rev 17:18 NIV) “The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

    The one that rules over the kings of the earth is Satan (If we do not consider the King of Kings) and a city could be symbolic of many people. That seems to fit the idea that the woman is a symbol of all unbelievers. Or perhaps just unbelief, as unbelief does rule over the kings of the earth.

    Well, it seems to fit to me, but then what do I know.

  26. Director says:

    1st Samuel Chapter 8. Do you want Caesar as your king or God as your king? When Jesus/Yahushua stood in front of Pilate, did he rebuke Pilates authority? When then temptation in the desert, did He rebuke satans claim to authorities of the world? Was the bible miswritten when God told us how satan had to ask Gods permission to jump on job? Yes Yes Yes. Everything that happens happens by the authority of God. Caesar has power not because God has evil intentions, but so that Caesar may be an instrument to fleece the sheep. So your fellow brothers wish to rear their head? Shame on them, for they should understand that no child of God should be voting for Caesar/Pharaoh. If one claims to be a Christ*ian… then one should abide accordingly, especially with scriptures so black and white as Phil 3:20… Our citizenship is in heaven.. not with Caesar. You should inform these others of Caesars law which states that no citizen may claim two sovereigns, and even more simple revelations where Caesar states that a civil marriage is nothing more than a legal relationship akin to a business venture, wherein God is not a party to the marriage license, and that further when Caesar blatantly informs that an ecclesiastical marriage is not a marriage acquired via a state license/application. These brothers of yours should reconsider which “Son” they are choosing to MIRROR… as God has spent much time informing us that wide is the path to destruction wherein many are deceived by a similar Jesus and similar gospel that are false, whereas the path to heaven is narrow, where few shall follow, wherein is the true Son and the true gospel.

  27. Director says:

    Oops. Correction. the “Yes Yes Yes” Was only in response to last question. Jesus/Yahushua never rebuked the propounded authority by Pilate or Satan

  28. Director says:

    Actually. They all should have been “No No No” haha. Sorry. Not enough coffee yet

  29. astudent says:

    Director,

    It sounds as if you understand very well.

    Here we grow up hearing that this is a country founded on Christian principles and I had to unlearn much of what I was told.

    It is a country whose Founding Fathers would not pay taxes, rebelled against the king that God had appointed, and decided to choose their own authorities! And we say it was founded on Christian principles!

    Everything that God told Samuel that a king would do to the people is also done by this government to the people.

    No one stops to think that when they choose a man to lead them that they are rejecting God at the same time.

    Ha, I had enough coffee and so I understood both the Yes Yes Yes and the No No No.

  30. Director says:

    Good to hear!

    Another good one is “a house divided shall not stand”. Haha take one look at the US (republican party vs democratic party) and it doesnt even make it through the door!!! And people unfortunately are under the delusion it is a country founded on biblical principles, whereas that may have merit, it is an unfortunate truth that those principles were adulterated.

    It truly is unfortunate how massive the delusion is.. (well everyone chooses it – and He sends a greater delusion when that happens)… and the delusion doesnt even stop at spiritual matters but bleeds into legal, economic, and political matters.

    Men will always fail brother, but only one leader can be relied on that will never fail us and its not the President!!! haha. Any interesting bible study into the root words surrounding “Call no one Father but the Father” leads to the root words which in fact are patrens patrae which translate to Senator, President, King, Leader… haha. The government of YHVH is very easily to be distinguished from the government of Caesar for those who choose to seek TRUTH!

    Blessings

    PS gots the coffee in me now.

  31. astudent says:

    Director,

    Just to add to our understanding have you considered Proverbs 28:2 (NIV) When a country is rebellious, it has many rulers, but a man of understanding and knowledge maintains order.

    I live in a town that has a form of rulers, a township, county, and state, that all have rulers of one name or the other. Then there is the federal government that is made up of senators, representatives, presidents, vice presidents: well the list just goes on and on, and then they are replaced with others!

    None of these rulers would be, or will be, necessary when we all obey the law (Do to others, as you would have them do to you).

  32. Director says:

    Yes.

    God said, “My people perish for lack of knowledge.”

    A law, statute, or regulation is pointless unless the people meant to break them, break them.

    Surely it is wise to obey Pharaohs laws as we sojourn through his land. That is, when they do not conflict with our laws issued by God. Wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove.

    Another good one to bring into these subject matters is: “No man can serve two masters”, and “follow not the traditions and holidays of men”

  33. Director says:

    “What I am not permitted to say in Church”

    Brother you are permitted to say all these things. “The church of God is building built by mans hands”. Your body is a church. It is a living temple housing the Holy Spirit of God. You commune with Him from within. Your body is a house of worship. When brothers and sisters gather together they are merely forming an association. This how the apostles did it.

    All those buildings which purport to be a church…. Well they are nothing more than buildings with a hireling in it with a delusioned congregation.

    An intensive bible study into church will reveal that our Saviour fulfilled the only role of Shepherd, as a lot of Pastors will define pastor, when in reality pastor is defined by the root words as a herdsmen. Not someone leading the sheep in the front saying “follow me” but a herdsman, one in the back yelling “go to Him”. The churches of this world are lost. So yes, you are permitted to say all these things. Further God says “you have all the authority you”(paraphrased) wherein it is explained, you have all the authority you need to say these things in those buildings. However if you go in your own flesh you might get clawed up, but if you go when God says go, well you still may get clawed, but the point is you won’t be own your own.

    A ways just saw that statement and wanted to share. For some more info on the church data check out grainsofsand.bz

  34. Director says:

    Lol no coffee yet.

    “The church of God is NO building built by mans hands”

  35. astudent says:

    Director,

    I see that you understand who and what the Church really is and you know that I can say anything. However, it seems that most Christians do not read and contemplate God’s Word for themselves.

    God’s Word plainly says that it is not possible to serve both money and God (Mat 6:24 & Luke 16:13), but that does not seem to stop some from trying.

    Because those who are trying to serve both, and the error of those who listen, the Word is not taught. Tithing is twisted, iron-sharpening iron is claimed, and men are exulted.

    This has led to a lukewarm Church.

    I could go on and on about why I am not permitted to say the things that I say here, in the church, but I think that you understand that I mean the church building and not among the true Church.

    I could say these things in the church, for a short time, and then I would be asked to leave, because I am causing discord: and I do!

    It would not bother me if I were asked to leave, however, the preacher would get the last word, like a radio show host, and I would be cited only as a troublemaker with no understanding, and any truth that I said would be twisted and lost.

    I would accomplish nothing, so I do not blatantly say these things in church. That is not to say that I always stay silent, as I seem to enjoy making trouble: part of my human nature, I suppose. Ha Ha

    I see that you are very happy and I share your outlook. It is difficult to show joy when writing, but difficult not to be happy as a Christian.

    I do not understand why you gave me grainsofsand.bz web address. It seems to be a consulting business. ??????

    Ha, have a cup and then tell me about grainsofsand.bz. Well, maybe I should have a cup, so I can understand. Could it be the same address in a different country?

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